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Thursday, November 17, 2005

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» We're in the press! from Greg Yardley's Internet Blog
Pamela Parker has an article up on ClickZ about my home away from home, Root Markets. And our CEO, Seth Goldstein, has a lengthy blog post on the same. Both Pamela and Seth mention our executive chairman and lead investor, Lew Ranieri, who figured ou... [Read More]

» The Future of Advertising: Markets in Attention? from BusinessPundit
Interesting idea.While the majority of Internet advertising is paid for on a CPM or CPC basis, the real driver of spending is advertisers’ willingness to pay based on a pure Cost Per Lead (CPL). Remember the hand-wringing in 1999, for... [Read More]

» A Solid Marketplace Concept from ConversionRater.com
News of Root.net has hit the media world as seen in a recent article in Clickz as well as more information in a post on CEO Seth Goldsteins blog. Working for a company that focuses on fixing inefficiencies in an industry to benefit both advert... [Read More]

» OPML and the road to Attention data: Progress from Alex Barnett blog
Steve Gillmor informs usof Dave Winer's OPML namepace news: "Basically, I think OPML should... [Read More]

» Media Futures from quoteunquote .:. yum 2.0
Seth fleshes out his objectives for establishing an exchange for attention data, to encourage a shifting of credit risk from publishers/advertisers to investors and a move to CPL (cost-per-lead) metrics. All in all a bold vision for the future of... [Read More]

» The Right Model for Online Advertising? from Maultasch's Musings
What is the right model for online advertising? It's a deceptively simple question. Deceptive because the avalanche of press Google and their AdSense program have been getting may make it appear that CPC (cost per click) is the model... [Read More]

» ROOT MARKETS: SETH GOLDSTEIN AND LEWIS RANIERI TRY TO SECURITIZE INTERNET LEAD GENERATION from Maneuver Marketing Communique
Perhaps one of the most precious resources in any enterprise is a lead. A bona fide prospect for the product [Read More]

» Root.Nets Lead Market from TechCrunch
Im intruiged by Seth Goldsteins Root.net, the first commercial application of the Attention Trust platform (see my Attention Trust posts here and here). Seth wrote a lengthy and descriptive post outlining the service for all participant... [Read More]

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pool cues

The idea of quality internet-generated lead data exchange is very interesting. I'm wondering if it applies to certain businesses better. For example, some business can easily make big money from PPC campaign, but some can't. Like pool cues business, it's really hard to separate keywords with information-seeking intention from the ones with commercial intentions; thus, it is hard to have a very targeted adwords campaign.

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nazzy

I used to be of the same opinion, but then I saw this presentation video by Dick Hardt:

Andras Nagy

Well, interesting concept kept me reading quite a lot.More than that I tried it out, I registered and created a Root Vault. In todays world with this huge focus on privacy the idea that every single site/page I visit, every single click I make to be instantly recorded by another party its just too scary. (the possibility to go there and delete it manualy all the time is just not good enough).
However the whole market theory sounds pretty cool , the only problem is gathering the tradeble goods - the leads. I mean, after all, I am selling that data, what do I get in return? If there is no upside for me, the system has a flow.

Michael Arrington

Seth,

I echo Dick's question. Clarify for us.

SteveH

Arb will help drive out any pricing inefficiencies and take some of the risk from the "natural" buyers and sellers - if they do it rightm the return will exceed the commensurate risk - presumably Seth's tools will allow arbs to make these judgemnets - Seth will be selling "picks and shovels" as well the "mine" to go dig for gold if you will.

Im a former arb and a newbie web guy so allow me a question: Does AdSense and the like provide pricing "transparency" of all transactions (ie like Stock Price Quotes from NYSE) to all participant including speculators? Do they even invite speculators into the game - at least in an easy, fast way?

Michael Raich

Interesting concept. But there are three questions that come to my mind:
1) clearly, the risk of generating qualified leads is moved completely to the publisher. Is he a) willing to take the risk and b) does he have enough knowledge about the targeted consumer to create the most qualified lead?
2) who (and why) should anyone bear the higher transaction cost created by additional market participants?
3) is it really possible to aggregate consumer attention well enough to completely outsource it? As it may well work for some industries (standardized financial products et al), there might be too many unidentified factors in consumer behaviour that influence consumer purchase descisions in order to really qualify a lead.

seth

Thanks Dick, Peter and Steve for smart comments.

So, what I am hearing is the following "ad networks such as doubleclick (web 1.0) and adsense (web 2.0) allow publishers to hedge out their inventory risk all the time, what's the big deal?" and from steve kane, "how can you securitize something as fleeting as an ad unit?". There are two unique factors that I may not have made clear enough: (1) a lead is different from an ad impression; whereas an impression/click is media-driven and contains no explicit personal data, a lead is simply X fields of data along with an intention to purchase Y service in Z time period. (2) a mortgage (aka "promise to pay") is clearly worth a lot more than a lead, since it's backed by a john hancock and actual property asset value. That being said, however, a lead is still simply a promise at an earlier stage of the purchasing cycle and can be priced accordingly. Granted, these promises are all over the price in terms of level of commitment, authenticity, and terminal value of the product or service (ie a real estate purchase throws off much more brokerage value than a cash advance loan), but that is then precisely where the opportunity lies.

steve

hey seth, wow, pretty dazzling stuff.

question:

i'm not sure i get how ad inventory is an asset that can be "securitized", at least in the sense of mortgage-backed securities?

the securitization of mortgages had/has a basic, seemingly unassailable logic and comfort to investors: that home loans (if defined within certain safety limits, e.g. "conforming loans"), have, well, huge security (hence Lew's name, no?) -- the homes themselves, the real assets underlying the loans, plus the amazing, relative unlikelihood of default -- the simple fact that almost all homeowners will default on every possible obligation before they let themselves lose their homes.

but the "security" and value of ad inventory, especially internet ad inventory, is fleeting at best. publishers "default" on ad inventory every day -- they publish ad avails and inserts with no paid advertising in them because they have no buyers. more scary, the counting of ad inventory is a loose affair at best (porn bots, anyone?) plus "click fraud." etc...

or am i missing a basic point?

finally, how would you differentiate your basic business model from say, doubleclick's attempt in the late 1990s (still today?) to create a third party ad network, where doubleclick controlled inventory from a large number of publishers and (in theory anyway) allowed advertisers and agencies to get better models and targeting based on the presence of the "neutral" third party?

any case, again, wow. congrats and great luck.

Peter Caputa

Good point, Dick. CPL or CPA can make the market even more liquid than CPC, though. There is still a lot of waste in PPC ad networks. Not just fraud, but lurkers or people that don't fit the right profile for an advertiser. If the advertiser only has to pay per QUALIFIED lead (ie 35-40 years old, married, excellent credit, wants to refinance mortgage), then the advertiser's risk goes down a lot further. As you'd probably imagine, there are single first time home buyers looking for mortgages on google too. And even if that click results in a form being filled out, their purchase won't make the advertiser as much money as other home buyers.


Dick Costolo

Geez Seth, could you stop glossing over the subject matter and dive into a little more detail? I'm surprised typepad let you put this much in the text box without overlowing some buffer somewhere. Whatever happened to the simple "Had toast for breakfast today, miss Tina, feeling sad"

Ok, let me play devil's advocate for two seconds. I realize this is a softball, but here it is: Isn't AdSense already a mechanism for "publishers to hedge out their inventory"? Isn't that why publishers forfeit part of their site and thus influence to a third party? On the grounds that the third party's market is more liquid than the publisher's? Signed, Curious in Chicago.

Stewart

Why the need for an 'arbitrageurs'?

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